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Does Kirel have ambient magic, is there any canonical confirmation of that? All I gathered from the novels themselves is that he is Frostpine's apprentice, but he could also only learn a smith's work, the normal way without magic. If anyone had further information (preferable with a source), that would be really great or interpreted the books another way, I'd be greatful for comments on this.

--PurzelTalk 20:42, November 14, 2010 (UTC)

I'm about 99.8% certain that he doesn't have magic. In the books that he appears in, it's never said that he has magic, and I'm pretty sure that it outright states that he's a Muggle. Squall L. 17:33, May 17, 2011 (UTC)Squall L.

I thought so, too, but wasn't absolutely certain, so I thought it better to check. Thanks for giving your opinion. --PurzelTalk 15:06, May 28, 2011 (UTC)


Sorry wasn't sure where to ask this but does anyone know where in the series it was stated that there were Painting, Birds, Horses, Air, and Earth Ambient Magic? I tried to look it up myself and couldn't find them. Shelby9291 (talk) 09:21, January 17, 2016 (UTC)

Just wanted to bump this hoping someone would answer. Shelby9291 (talk)

More Powerful?

The books never actually say that Ambient mages are more powerful. In fact, it's implied that Ambient and Academic magic are equally strong, but the way it works is different. Academic magic comes from within the mage, but Ambient magic comes from the surrounding environment. Because of this, Academic mages have trouble building up their powers, whereas Ambient Mages have trouble controlling a great deal of power that's constantly flowing into them. The reason Amb. magic seems more powerful is because almost all of the main characters are Amb, mages. Nico is an Academic mage, and is just as powerful as Lark and Rosethorn. Squall L. 17:38, May 17, 2011 (UTC)Squall L.

I agree. You seem to have already corrected this in the article. Thanks a lot for that. --PurzelTalk 15:06, May 28, 2011 (UTC)
No problem. :) Squall L. 08:43, November 24, 2011 (UTC)Squall L.
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